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Post by namvet on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:03 pm


WASHINGTON -- Chinese ships surrounded and harassed a Navy mapping ship in international waters off China, at one point coming within 25 feet of the American boat and strewing debris in its path, the Defense Department said Monday. The Obama administration said it would continue naval operations in the South China Sea, most of which China considers its territory, and protested to China about what it called reckless behavior that endangered lives.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/09/pentagon-chinese-ships-harassed-unarmed-navy-craft-international-waters/

Russian trawlers did the same to us in Nam. We must be nuts sending unarmed ships around near hostile countries. Just inviting another Pueblo incident. These ships should be armed and have escorts. when within a certain distance of a country whose intentions we are uncertain of.

Blair: China Adopting a More Aggressive Military Stance

National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair told Congress Tuesday that China's alleged harassment of an unarmed U.S. Navy craft is the "most serious" he's seen in eight years.
The top intelligence official said China appears to have adopted a more aggressive military stance recently.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/10/official-somali-extremist-group-poised-merge-al-qaeda/
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Post by LACOP on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:38 pm

They know Obama is a fucking pussy so they'll push this as hard as they can. The worst that will happen to the Chicoms is Obama will send Hillary over there with a stupid gift.
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Post by namvet on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:44 pm

first Hitlary will have to show the Marxist where China is on a map. when he see's how big it is send the gifts. Hitlary in the nude.
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Post by LACOP on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:46 pm

Chairman Maobama knows where Red China is. Being a confirmed Maoist he's got an autographed copy of the little red book.
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Post by namvet on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:59 pm

LACOP wrote:Chairman Maobama knows where Red China is. Being a confirmed Maoist he's got an autographed copy of the little red book.

im not so sure. if its not on his tele-prompter he's lost
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Post by LACOP on Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:00 pm

namvet wrote:

im not so sure. if its not on his tele-prompter he's lost

Excellent point! Smile
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Post by Obama Rulz on Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:33 pm

Why did we have ships near China? It seems like a diplomatic nightmare. Someone needs to keep a better eye on what the military is doing.
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Post by NonConformist on Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:32 am

Obama Rulz wrote:Why did we have ships near China? It seems like a diplomatic nightmare. Someone needs to keep a better eye on what the military is doing.


Because we're protecting Taiwan from Chinese Aggression and Imperialism
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Re: Chinese Ships Harassed Unarmed Navy Craft

Post by namvet on Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:33 am

NonConformist wrote:
Obama Rulz wrote:Why did we have ships near China? It seems like a diplomatic nightmare. Someone needs to keep a better eye on what the military is doing.


Because we're protecting Taiwan from Chinese Aggression and Imperialism

he's a total fuckin idiot.
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Post by Obama Rulz on Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:28 pm

NonConformist wrote:
Obama Rulz wrote:Why did we have ships near China? It seems like a diplomatic nightmare. Someone needs to keep a better eye on what the military is doing.


Because we're protecting Taiwan from Chinese Aggression and Imperialism

Why can't Taiwan protect itself? Why should we be the protectors of the universe? We can't afford that. We have people in America losing their jobs, houses, healthcare and worse. We need to take care of our own.
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Post by NonConformist on Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:49 pm

Obama Rulz wrote:
NonConformist wrote:
Obama Rulz wrote:Why did we have ships near China? It seems like a diplomatic nightmare. Someone needs to keep a better eye on what the military is doing.


Because we're protecting Taiwan from Chinese Aggression and Imperialism

Why can't Taiwan protect itself? Why should we be the protectors of the universe? We can't afford that. We have people in America losing their jobs, houses, healthcare and worse. We need to take care of our own.

SO we should get rid of the illegals right, so that americans have more employment opportunities. I like they way you think here!
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Post by Clubtender on Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:51 pm

Obama Rulz wrote:Why can't Taiwan protect itself? Why should we be the protectors of the universe? We can't afford that. We have people in America losing their jobs, houses, healthcare and worse. We need to take care of our own.
The US has been treaty bound to defend Taiwan (Republic of China/ROC) since the Communists enslaved mainland China.

A nation is only as good as it's word. Harry Truman gave Taiwan our word that Communist China would never be allowed to invade them. It's now a matter of national honor to keep our word. May we never become like the Jell-o spined Europeans who are only allies when they need an ally.
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Post by Clubtender on Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:40 pm

This incident is the fault of the US Navy for sending an unarmed ship anywhere.

If the USS Liberty would have had the ability to smoke the first two Israeli fighters with surface to air missiles, the rest of the Israeli fighter squadron that was strafing her may have been better able to see the US flag that she was flying or been better able to hear her repeated radio calls identifying herself as a US Navy ship.

The moral of this story is go armed or stay home. If the Navy had learned this important lesson then, we wouldn't have to worry about an unarmed ship being harassed by the Chinese now.

It is obvious that the US Navy learned absolutely nothing from the USS Pueblo and the USS Liberty incidents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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Re: Chinese Ships Harassed Unarmed Navy Craft

Post by namvet on Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:46 am

all incoming presidents give the military a shoot or no shoot policy. which is it Osama???? this was in international waters. its nothing new. Russian trawlers did the same to us in Nam



that is a tempting target.
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Post by Clubtender on Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:52 am

namvet wrote:all incoming presidents give the military a shoot or no shoot policy. which is it Osama???? this was in international waters. its nothing new. Russian trawlers did the same to us in Nam



that is a tempting target.
A "general quarters" klaxon sounding and 5" gun pointed at that ship's bridge may have helped those Chinese captains to remember that it is illegal to harass any nation's ship in international waters.

Still, it is our own fault. Any US Navy ship of that size traveling anywhere other than in US waters should have both surface to surface and surface to air defense capabilities. If it doesn't, it should be escorted by a ship that does.
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Post by Edwin D Gill on Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:03 pm

Why is any US Navy ship unarmed? That does not make make sense to me.
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Re: Chinese Ships Harassed Unarmed Navy Craft

Post by namvet on Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:26 pm

Clubtender wrote:
namvet wrote:all incoming presidents give the military a shoot or no shoot policy. which is it Osama???? this was in international waters. its nothing new. Russian trawlers did the same to us in Nam



that is a tempting target.
A "general quarters" klaxon sounding and 5" gun pointed at that ship's bridge may have helped those Chinese captains to remember that it is illegal to harass any nation's ship in international waters.

Still, it is our own fault. Any US Navy ship of that size traveling anywhere other than in US waters should have both surface to surface and surface to air defense capabilities. If it doesn't, it should be escorted by a ship that does.

all ahead flank speed
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Post by NonConformist on Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:26 pm

Edwin D Gill wrote:Why is any US Navy ship unarmed? That does not make make sense to me.


Yep, stoopid!
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Post by Remo on Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:12 pm

Edwin D Gill wrote:Why is any US Navy ship unarmed? That does not make make sense to me.


No, it doesn't. Kind of like sending a platoon of Marines out on a patrol with only canteens and signal mirrors.
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Post by NonConformist on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:07 pm

Remo wrote:
Edwin D Gill wrote:Why is any US Navy ship unarmed? That does not make make sense to me.


No, it doesn't. Kind of like sending a platoon of Marines out on a patrol with only canteens and signal mirrors.


Like the Marines in Beirut who were at guard w/ empty rifles?
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Post by submarinepainter on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:10 pm

Why do even put up with their shit?
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Post by Auschlander88 on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:17 pm

NonConformist wrote:
Like the Marines in Beirut who were at guard w/ empty rifles?


That wasn't a shining moment in the Reagan era.
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Re: Chinese Ships Harassed Unarmed Navy Craft

Post by namvet on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:05 am

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff

or a show down. lets just see how far he goes here. if push leads to shove.



A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

Mr Obama’s decision to send an armed escort for US surveillance ships in the area follows the aggressive and co-ordinated manoeuvres of five Chinese boats on Sunday. They harassed and nearly collided with an unarmed American vessel.

Washington accused the Chinese ships of moving directly in front of the US Navy surveillance ship Impeccable, forcing its crew to take emergency action, and to deploy a high-pressure water hose to deter the Chinese ships. Formal protests were lodged with Beijing after the incident.

On a day that Mr Obama and his senior officials met the Chinese Foreign Minister, Yang Jiechi, in Washington, Beijing showed no sign of backing down. Its military chiefs accused the unarmed US Navy ship of being on a spying mission.

The US keeps a close eye on China’s arsenal, including its expanding fleet of submarines in the area. Washington says that the confrontation occurred in international waters, but Beijing claims nearly all the South China Sea as its own, putting it in conflict with five other nations that have claims over different parts of the waters.

The episode complicated fragile military relations between the US and China, which appeared to have improved after the two held defence talks in Beijing last month.

Mr Obama yesterday urged more military dialogue with China to avoid similar incidents after talks with Mr Yang, the White House said. “The President also stressed the importance of raising the level and frequency of military-to-military dialogue,” it said.

A hotline was established between the Chinese Defence Ministry and the Pentagon in April last year, but it was not used during or after Sunday’s standoff, defence officials said. The US Government immediately protested to Chinese authorities after the incident, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

Beijing has rejected the US account and demanded that the United States cease what it calls illegal activities in the South China Sea. The Chinese maintain the area is part of the country’s exclusive economic zone.

Washington insists that the area is part of international waters and that US ships have a legal right to operate there.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5898650.ece
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Post by Obama Rulz on Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:24 pm

I remember how Bush folded to the Chinese when they took one of our airplanes.
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Post by NonConformist on Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:27 pm

Obama Rulz wrote:I remember how Bush folded to the Chinese when they took one of our airplanes.

You FAIL! it yet again, that was Bill Clinton who let them do that
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