Re: allah is not God

[iluvfreebeer]

allah is not God.




Discuss amongst yourselves.

Yes, he is a real god. What evidence do you have to suggest he isn't a real god?

Well, I'm currently a lameass agnostic, so I could care less what those heathen savage sons of bitches ragtangos believe in or don't believe in.

[old goat]

allah is not God.




Discuss amongst yourselves.

Yes, he is a real god. What evidence do you have to suggest he isn't a real god?

God is all knowing. That is one of the keys about God. If Muhammad was his prophet as is claimed, and Allah is the true God, then why were there no prophesies from him that came about? Why would they have to proclaim that the Bible was incorrect in order to allow for their beliefs? Why is the Koran full of contradictions and errors when God is perfect and the writtings are supposed to be the word of God?

[Miracle Thoughts]

The topic was not if allah is a God. The statement was "allah is not God". There is a big difference to being a god and being God.

I will admit allah is a god to some. He is not however the true God.

PS: Beer, if you're an agnostic quite quoting the Bible, it's pretty stupid and is offensive to both Bible-believers and agnostics everywhere.

[KSigMason]

The topic was not if allah is a God. The statement was "allah is not God". There is a big difference to being a god and being God.

I will admit allah is a god to some. He is not however the true God.

PS: Beer, if you're an agnostic quite quoting the Bible, it's pretty stupid and is offensive to both Bible-believers and agnostics everywhere.

There is no god, there is only God. There is no Allah, there is only God and Allah isn't Him.

Beer can quote the Bible. Plus, agnosticism isn't atheism.

[Miracle Thoughts]

I understand there is only one God. However, Sona took the stance that, "[H]e is a real god." This is true allah is a god to some. I do not deny he is a god, just like many other things are gods in people's lives. This said nothing can replace the true God, the only creator of heaven and earth.

I understand agnosticism is not atheism. However, agnostics do not believe in God as a certainty. If someone does not beleive in the certain existance of God why quote Him? While quoting the Bible as an agnostic may not be offensive, and is totally within his rights to do. I think it is pretty stupid and very ironic to think someone who is admittedly not sure that God is real will quote Him in a signature. Of course, this is only personal opinion and as I said totally within his rights to do.

[iluvfreebeer]

The topic was not if allah is a God. The statement was "allah is not God". There is a big difference to being a god and being God.

I will admit allah is a god to some. He is not however the true God.

PS: Beer, if you're an agnostic quite quoting the Bible, it's pretty stupid and is offensive to both Bible-believers and agnostics everywhere.

I am believer in crisis or agnostic. Take your pick. The one thing I do NOT do is mock those of JudeoChristian faith. I believe the Bible is the most important written word. I know that you and many others KNOW that it is the word of God because you have faith. I can't undeniably say I still believe that, but I will not question your faith in the Bible being the Word of God.

I spent a good portion of my life studying the bible as well as the quaran and other books of faith. I make no claims to being an expert in faith, but I am quite conversant in the Bible, in several languages and have even read it in Aramaic and Hebrew.

As for allah, I think there is sufficient data out there to show that allah is a remnant of a pagan moon god and that islam is a cult of violence that has evolved into a power mad and extremely violent political party.

[Miracle Thoughts]

First, thank you for being so respectful of the faith of Christians. Honestly, that is a hard stance to take and one that I, even as a Christ follower, strive to attain.

I will ask you though where the disconnect is from you believing that, "[T]he Bible is the most important written word," and the inability to "undeniably" say that you know it is the word of God. I hope that you understand that the main way I know the Bible is the word of God is through faith. This will sound like a contradiction to most but through some everyday examples it is easily explained. I also hope you realize that another way I know the bible is the written word of God and that He is the only true God is through answered prayer and everyday miracles. Many skeptics will argue the veracity of my everyday miracles which is fine with me.

My assumption is that as a beleiver in crisis, that means you believe in whatever works in the time of need. Like I said that is my assumption so feel free to correct my thoughts there.

I apologize if I offended you with my comments. They were made out of ingnorance of you true meaning.

[iluvfreebeer]

MT, I take no offense at all.

Let me try to explain, and hope it helps my own understanding as well.

The Bible has undoubtedly had the most positive impact upon mankind of any written word. It has inspired many (including myself) to find inner strength and do things beyond what they have thought they were capable.

But to do so requires an essential element. Faith. Without Faith, the Bible is little more than a book of parables. Educational certianly in the morality that it often teaches. But still just parables to one without faith -- at best.

By a "believer in crisis" or agnostic, what I really mean is someone who's faith has been shaken severely in the past 9 months or so. This after a time when, frankly, I think my faith saved me from dying, or worse.

The problem is this. While I feel my faith allowed me to find inner strength in the past I've seen things since then that I can not understand how a loving God would allow. Cancer, death, misfortune . . . to good, loving, God fearing people.

I am now faced with some new challenges in my life. Very serious ones. Frankly, I would love to be able to find my faith again. But I am not sure how. Nor am I sure that it wouldn't be hypocritical to only come back to God when things go wrong and I need help.

[KSigMason]

A good book to check out is:

The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion

[Miracle Thoughts]

Beer,

I sympathize with you. I understand loss in a personal way. I wish that I could give you and answer or point to a human who has all the answers. Unfortunately, I do not have all the answers nor do I know of a living human that does.

However, I can give a word of hope. This may sound very flaky and overly spiritual but God can help. Your question about how God can allow bad things to happen is not an abnormal question. I think every Christian has had that question at least once in their life. However, what I understand is that letting bitterness against God set in separates me from the only one who can truly help me. The answer that has put my mind at ease about bad situations is that I am sure it was not God's fault. If I am willing to believe that He is as great as the Bible says He is and I know that humans are not as great as they claim to be, I am willing to imagine the problem does not lay with God. In other words, my faith leads me to believe that the problem or bad situations that occur at more a product of life and Satan's role in humanity than they are God not taking interest or willing to help.

I hope this explanation was not to confusing.

When facing these new challenges I encourage you to not doubt that you have faith or think that you need to find it. I can see you have faith. All you need to do is to go back to God and He will help. Don't think that this is hypocritical to do. But I will say this, make a decision this time to go back and stay. It is much more fulfilling to know that you have a relationship with the God of the universe and when you purpose to stay close to Him, it is much easier to see Him staying close to you. Also, you faith is your inner strength given to you by God. Humans many times want to take over some of God's responsibilities and I think that is where some of our problems come in.

Don't let your faith be shaken by what people say or the circumstances of this life. God is on your side.

I know this may sound like super-spiritual mumbo-jumbo to some but I truly believe people need to stop thinking of God as someone who doesn't care and see Him for who He truly is.

[Vinn]

By a "believer in crisis" or agnostic, what I really mean is someone who's faith has been shaken severely in the past 9 months or so. This after a time when, frankly, I think my faith saved me from dying, or worse.

The problem is this. While I feel my faith allowed me to find inner strength in the past I've seen things since then that I can not understand how a loving God would allow. Cancer, death, misfortune . . . to good, loving, God fearing people.

I am now faced with some new challenges in my life. Very serious ones. Frankly, I would love to be able to find my faith again. But I am not sure how. Nor am I sure that it wouldn't be hypocritical to only come back to God when things go wrong and I need help.

Hey beer, I saw this post and felt I should respond. I've been on an interesting trip (spiritual journey) these last two years and it has changed who I am. The one thing I've learned, there is religion and there is christianity. Many people are practicing religion. What I mean is religion is us trying to measure up to God or make ourselves acceptable to him, in other words, trying to save ourselves through works. Christianity is allowing Christ to save us. It is placing our faith in Jesus Christ for our salvation, trusting that his death and ressurection is completely sufficient to reconcile us to God. It is easy, to fall into religion, it is a fine line and sometimes when attending churches, reading bibles etc. we miss the point, see it as a set of rules that if we keep, we will be okay with God. Something like the scales of justice, if our good works outweigh the bad, we make it into heaven.

Salvation is by the grace of God and received only through faith in Jesus Christ. It is believing in the finished work of Christ, having paid our penalty for sin (death) by dying and ensuring our new life in him through his ressurection. No sacrements, rituals or acts will save us. True faith is more than just a head knowledge, it is a an accepting of the heart.

I'm not suggesting anything about your faith in past or present, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. Rather, I am seeing an old friend struggle and I wanted to share this with you in case, you, as I had in the past, fallen for the lie of religion (religion as meant in the way I described it). Once saved, once having placed that faith in Christ, then as a christian, one can allow the Holy Spirit to work in their life.

You asked how God could let this happen or maybe cause it to happen. In fact, I believe, we have, by our sin. God created it all perfect and we destroyed that perfection, bringing in sin and suffering, an imperfect world that also brings with it misery (as well as many other things). Even though we rejected God, and went our own way, he loved us so that he threw us a rescue line, the only one who was worthy to stand as our sacrifice, the spotless lamb, Christ Jesus. In other words, God never created this world with this suffering, we really did, by rebelling. God, however, loves us so that he saved us, and offers us an eternity of perfection and perfect joy with him. He did so through his Son and we only need to believe, place our faith in Christ, to receive the life that God always intended for us.

Anyways beer, I'd love to talk more, please, this isn't me "talking down" at you or anyone, I'm hoping you don't misinterpret my intent here. I'm going to leave a link which speaks of the basics of salvation, I encourage all to read it.

http://www.eeinternational.org/DYKFS/dykfs.htm

[Bilbo Baggins]

Now this is gonna make me as popular as a socialist at the Republican Convention but have any of you read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins? Its a very good read, and would be a good test of faith for some of you

[submarinepainter]

i am a bad example of a christian i do believe and attend church , but i sin daily, but i know this allah prick is not the true god and the real god will not be merciful to the followers of this moon bat god

[KSigMason]

Now this is gonna make me as popular as a socialist at the Republican Convention but have any of you read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins? Its a very good read, and would be a good test of faith for some of you

I have not, but I don't need to test my faith.

I'm not a devout Christian, but I think this is all between me and God.

This is my philosophy:

Matt. 18:20 - For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Well I think some of you would find it interesting to read. I'm not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying that people should be open-minded. Why if you have such strong faith, do you need to denigrate another one? What threat is it to you?